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STUART LAND
    (Sculptor at Boss Film FX Creature Shop)
- How 
    did you get involved in PREDATOR?
    - I was hired by Steve Johnson.
- Do you 
    remember when and how long you worked on this project?
    - About 3 to 4 months. I think it was sometime in 1985.
- What 
    was your task, exactly, on this show?
    - I was a sculptor. I sculpted the first man in the group to get killed and 
    hung from a tree (not the group of guys first seen hanging in the trees: those 
    were made by Steve Johnson, from bodies that were in POLTERGEIST). I actually 
    refined a body cast of the actor, to make it look all narly, and another sculptor 
    did the gutted interior you never get to see in the film. It also made it 
    into the second film, as every dead body you see, from the hanging corpse 
    in the beginning to the one in the train station having its spine ripped out. 
    We actually made that effect for the first film to be shown up close, but 
    they thought it was too gross to show on screen. It looked really realistic, 
    even in the live test. Mark Siegel and I made the effect of a hole that gets 
    bored through the chest of Governor Wrestlermania [Jesse Ventura]. At first, 
    we started to sculpt all the bones, but then got this brainy idea to go out 
    for a lunch of the best beef ribs in Marina del Rey, and use those bones. 
    What a feast at company expense! We boiled all the leftover meat off the bones 
    (which wasn't much by the time we were through), broke them in half and affixed 
    them to the mechanical rig inside of the dummy we made from the real one (real 
    governor, not dummy!). It worked perfectly, but again, it looked so real, 
    they didn't show it actually work in the movie, only after the fact.
- About 
    the bodies from POLTERGEIST... Is this common practice to recycle things like 
    this, from one film to another?
    - Not really a common practice, as usually each movie is made with completely 
    different production companies, but if an effects house had something they 
    can reuse, they just charge full price and make a boatload of extra profit!
- So, 
    all the dead bodies featured in PREDATOR 2 were from the first PREDATOR?!!
    - From what I remember, that is correct. There may have been some others that 
    I don't remember, but as the film was so bad, I will probably never see it 
    again.
- This 
    actor you refined the body cast, the first man killed, was Shane Black, wasn't 
    he? He wrote the first LETHAL WEAPON and I always thought producer Joel Silver 
    brought him on PREDATOR, in case there would be re-writings to do on the original 
    screenplay...
    - It was Shane, but I don't know anything about who or why he was brought 
    on board. LETHAL WEAPON came out while we were making the props and I think 
    I remember he was a pretty happy guy. But this was a long time ago, and I 
    may be wrong...
- Could 
    you elaborate on the "dead wild boar" you worked on? Were there 
    two of them, or was the "dead" one the same than the one who jumps 
    onto Bill Duke in the movie?
    - I sculpted three dead wild boars, all of different sizes. The first one 
    was seven feet long and it was tooooo big, so Steve had me do another one 
    three feet long and it was toooo small, so Steve had me do another one at 
    five feet long, and it was just right. It was the running joke of the whole 
    show. There were epic poems written about the "never-ending boar story," 
    and people began pinning hemp tails on each other when they weren't looking, 
    then video taping them. The biggest joke of all was because after all was 
    said and done, they ended up using a real stuffed boar! So, one day I just 
    got fed-up and pushed my sculpting table to the edge of the second floor loft, 
    picked up one end of the table and let the whole massive sculpture swan dive 
    onto the concrete floor below! Somewhere, there is a great video of this. 
    I may have it, I'm not sure.
- You 
    mentioned some "alien trophy head" on your resume. In the original 
    screenplay, there is a scene wich is taking place inside the Predator's spaceship, 
    in some "trophy room"... Was the head you worked on supposed to 
    appear in that scene?
    - Yes. An art director made a simple sketch on a napkin or something, and 
    I fleshed it out from there. It was really cool. It looked like an insect, 
    but so did the original alien. The original finished casting was lost, but 
    I think I still have the original clay somewhere...
- Besides 
    yours, were other alien heads built?
    - There may have been one or two other heads made, but I really can't remember.
- There 
    was actually a trophy room scene in PREDATOR 2, and some private joke with 
    an "Alien" (from the 20th Century Fox movies) skull featured amongst 
    others... Allegedly, from that originated the "Aliens vs. Predator" 
    concept (comics, videogame, etc.). Do you know if this idea was already envisaged 
    at Boss Film, at the time of the first PREDATOR movie?
    - It wasn't, although we all thought about it. The trophy room was originally 
    made-up of decapitated heads, still looking like heads. There may have been 
    skulls of some type, too. But they never shot that trophy room scene. What 
    they did in the second movie, using just the skulls, was much better in concept.
- Didn't 
    they first consider to use stop-motion before finally choosing the costume 
    way for the Predator?
    - I don't know about using stop-motion, but we were making a lot of mechanical 
    parts for close-ups, like the head and mouth and arms, etc.
- You 
    said on your resume you "worked on (the) main alien construction", 
    so I assumed you worked on the (unused) Predator costume... Do you know who 
    designed the look of the costume you worked on? Didn't William Stout sketch 
    some preliminary designs? I have also read that the backward-bent satyr-like 
    leg was Steve Johnson's idea...
    - Yes, it was the original unused costume, but I don't know who designed it. 
    I don't know what Bill did on the film. The whole problem with the original 
    design was that we all knew it would never work, but nobody would tell the 
    producers, because they were scared of losing their jobs. As far as I know, 
    Steve had nothing to do with that design, but was responsible for getting 
    it made. It was a joke. First of all, the bug-like construction required an 
    exoskeleton and, once a real human was wearing it, he could not bend from 
    the waist. Second, the creature was supposed to be very tall and very thin, 
    so who do they hire, but Jean Claude Van Damme, short and muscular (short 
    for an alien)! He was an unknown then, having just finished his first Karate 
    film. His ego was the same, though. But, I have to give him credit. He achieved 
    everything he bored us with week after week.
- Could 
    you precisely describe the costume you worked on? I must say that I have never 
    seen pictures of it but I have read that it looked like a cross between reptile 
    and bug...
    - It looked more like a cross between an insect and Speed Racer, or pick any 
    Japanese cartoon hero. Or, maybe, one of those man-things that fight Godzilla. 
    The production drawings were very good, but as a design for a new scary thing, 
    it wasn't. I think it was multi-bug-colored. It had satyr-like legs which 
    were mechanical, so the actor would have to be suspended by wires. The arms 
    were also mechanical extensions, as was the head rising above the real actor's 
    head. From the neck to the hips was this bony exoskeleton we cast in some 
    sort of plastic, but I forgot which kind. We had never used it before, but 
    under the brilliant leadership of Mark Siegel, it came out perfect the first 
    time.
    For reasons I can't remember now, the construction unit of the creature formed 
    a bond and we secluded ourselves away in a tiny side room where we all worked 
    together. The red suit, used for filming the transparent scenes, was made 
    in there, so that's where Mr. Damme came for his fittings. Again, somewhere, 
    I have the only video of him in this suit, as he does one of his (now famous) 
    kicks, immediately ripping out the crotch. Unfortunately, he's covered from 
    head to foot, so you can't see who it is, but you can tell from his build.
- (laughs) 
    I assume this will not be featured amongst the extras on the PREDATOR Special 
    Edition DVD which will be released this summer... Too bad!
    - If I had known about that Special Edition, I would have sold it them!
- Van 
    Damme reportedly said he worked on the show during the first three weeks of 
    shooting... Other sources say he quit after two days...
    - I have no idea how long he worked on the production, but it seems to me 
    that it only took a few days for them to realize it wasn't going to work and 
    they had to bring everyone home.
- They 
    must have thought of many variations of looks for the Predator during pre-production. 
    Do you remember unused designs or ideas?
    - I never saw any other design. The design that was finally used was created 
    solely by Steve Wang, who, at that time was just another sculptor working 
    on the creature. He was making the arms with Laurie Marems (she sculpted the 
    original E.T.). Steve was a brilliant sculptor, and though only about twenty 
    at the time, had been sculpting since he was five. There were a huge amount 
    of talented people at Boss in those days.
- John 
    McTiernan has said in some interview that an attempt was made to get shots 
    of the Predator swinging from tree to tree using a monkey in this red suit, 
    but that the monkey kept removing the suit so the idea was abandoned. Do you 
    remember such a thing?
    - (laughs) Never heard that one! The whole production was way behind schedule. 
    After they finally realized the man in the bug suit was never going to work, 
    they blamed it on everyone at Boss and fired the company and hired Stan Winston. 
    Most of the same crew went there. They scrapped just about everything and 
    started from scratch. They had to rewrite the ending and pay a ton-o-bucks 
    to Arnold not to walk. Maybe this was why.
- According 
    to rumors I have heard, Schwarzenegger actually walked, shot RUNNING MAN, 
    and was brought back with some big bucks, then they reshot the ending, eight 
    months after principal photography ended...
    - I never heard this rumor and don't know if it's true or not. I don't believe 
    Arnold was called back, but paid just to stay and finish. He was in almost 
    every scene!
- Now, 
    there is two versions within this rumor: according to the first one, the movie 
    was entirely completed when they decided to reshoot the ending...
    - That is wrong.
- ...according 
    to the second version, the movie was only HALF-WAY completed, the crew had 
    already filmed all the parts that did not involve the alien, and ONLY a few 
    scenes had been shot with the original Boss Film costume...
    - That is partially wrong. They never shot any scenes with the original creature, 
    because it was never finished and didn't work in the tests!
- The 
    first cut allegedly lasted 167 minutes...
    - All movies are originally under cut, so this is nothing new.
- Did 
    Kevin Peter Hall wear the Boss Film costume, or was he brought afterwards, 
    when Stan Winston was hired?
    - He was hired after Steve Wang designed the costume we all know and love 
    today. Steve designed it and he and Matt Rose sculpted it.
- Do you 
    know what went wrong in the jungle locations? I have heard about harness and 
    wires problems... McTiernan allegedly said "The design was poorly 
    executed. We only had a few weeks of preproduction, and they did a terrible 
    job of creating the monster in that short a period of time. It's that simple!"
    - What design was he talking about? If he was talking about the original design, 
    then yes, it was poorly designed, but not poorly executed! We worked on it 
    for four months, not a few weeks. Anyway, I don't believe it was ever finished, 
    but I may be wrong about that, as I went off to another job. I don't know 
    how long it took Stan's crew to make the creature, but I'm sure it wasn't 
    just a few weeks, and I'm sure it was very well done.
- He was 
    definitely talking about the first design!
    - What he meant, if he isn't an idiot, is that the original design was terribly 
    bad, but the execution was as perfect as anyone could make.
- I have 
    read that they actually shot 7 scenes with the Boss Film costume but that 
    none of them made it into the final cut... Yet, seems to me that it is not 
    the Stan Winston costume which is seen in some shots of the movie...
    - Don't know, but doubt it.
- Well, 
    about that red suit used for the transparent scenes, the one made for Van 
    Damme matched the design of the unused Boss suit, right? So, when the Predator's 
    look was redefined, did they build another red suit that matched the new design, 
    or did they used the first one? Because (and that were these scenes I was 
    talking about), in the movie, the design of the Predator, in all the scenes 
    where he is transparent, seems not to match the Winston's design (e.g. we 
    don't see "dreadlocks" coming out of the helmet)...
    - That's interesting. You know, I can't really remember about the suit matching 
    the costume exactly. I know the arms and legs didn't, and I don't think the 
    head did either. It was pretty much the shape of a man. But I'd have to look 
    at my video to be sure. For sure, it wasn't the same shape as the costume 
    exactly. So, I don't know if they made another suit, or not.
- Last 
    but not least, what did you think of the movie?
    - The first movie was great. It was pretty much like the original script, 
    except for the very end, so instead of blowing up the spaceship, he just blows 
    up the alien. Except for all the scenes in which you can clearly see my dead 
    body, the second movie sucked. Of course, all the effects and props were great.
- And 
    how did you feel about the Stan Winston costume, as opposed to the Boss Film 
    one?
    - A million times better!
- Anything 
    you would want to add about your experience on this show?
    - Working at Boss, at that time, was an adventure. Although it was hot and 
    dirty and polluted, it was great fun because of all the people that worked 
    there. I still know many of them today.
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